Stylish 1.0

Drugoy

I create this topic for a global discussion of this version.
First question is: why the hell it was released without error-check of code and without palette? I know it was removed from betas, but damn, why it wasn't re-implemented to the 1.0 release??

I find 1.0 very inconvinient just for that reason. And now I migrate back to 0.5.9, until 1.0 will be fixed to be usable.

HKK

as Jason stated a number of times now, they were removed due to low demand. if you depend on them so much, get "It's all text!" and use a real code editor which implements those features. I dont see how you can actually develop styles with stylish's own editor anyway.

Drugoy

Posted By: HKKas Jason stated a number of times now, they were removed due to low demand. if you depend on them so much, get "It's all text!" and use a real code editor which implements those features.

then what's for do I need stylish? I can implement any CSS directly to userchrome.css or usercontent.css

Posted By: HKKI dont see how you can actually develop styles with stylish's own editor anyway.

I did it easy. And now I can't.
Stylish was all-in-one css creator-editor for me and quite lite. Now you state that I have to use some additional editors just to make new stylish work like the old one. What's for? I will just use old stylish instead. And many people will. So, I'd like to argue about the demand of any feature, but I won't, because like Jason, I don't know statistics and unlike him - I won't judge about anything building up my position on some unknown for me statistics.

HKK

as a web developer, i never use only one tool. and as a programmer, a good text editor (e.g. Notepad++ in my case) belongs to my daily tools. i do not know of any "heavy" editor. Firefox is a lot more resource-wasting than any editor (which makes Stylish a bad choice to develop CSS).
Therefore, for me it is no big deal to use a nice editor with customizable colors and syntax highlighting. And especiall a Find&Replace function.

Besides, Stylish never claimed to be a CSS development tool. Stylish is a "user styles manager" which allows easy managing of Styles that only apply to certain sites (Unlike having to organize usercontent/-chrome.css yourself). Thus, it is completely alright for Stylish to have only a minimal editor.

hzhbest

I just want to support Drugoy. Please don't think everybody is professional.
And I find it hard to download the new version from Mozilla. The XPI seems to be broken.

JasonBarnabe

You've lived without Find-and-Replace, syntax highlighting, drop-down autocomplete, and a whole bunch of other normal CSS editor functions since now... Have you tried installing Diavolo?

Actually I see the point about error checking... it's kind of annoying without it.

JasonBarnabe

Per popular request, Stylish nostalgia icons.

90d

I use other editors but not to make simple/short stylesheets so error checking was useful. I don't like the new version at all tbh, especially the integration into the add-ons window. I'll go back to the old version too.

JasonBarnabe

You can make it not integrate with the add-ons dialog with the pref extensions.stylish.manageView. 1 is stand-alone and 2 is sidebar (I think).

b

Da ich kein Englisch kann schreib ich es mal in Deutsch hin....

Serwas,
kann es sein dass mit der neuen Version (Stylish 1.o)
man seine Styles nur noch in der Sidebar verwalten kann wenn man eine hat?

In meinem Fall "All in one Sidebar"
Der button in der Statusleiste reagiert nicht mehr, der Button
oben in der Navbar mach die Sidebar auf.... und meine codes
für den Stylishmanager sind hinfaellig - so ein scheiß......
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=aufzeichnenrnrv.png

Betriebssystem ist Windows Vista Ultimate 64 Bit

So sah es vor dem Update aus
http://userstyles.lesmurfy.de/viewtopic.php?p=540#p540
so danach
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=aufzeichzzznenigpa.png

Wo kriegt ich die Alte Version wieder her?

90d

@Jason: Thanks for the tip. It's much more practical for me now. Now, let's change those icons...

JasonBarnabe

Stylish nostalgia icons

makondo

I'd be a +1 for error checking... However, as i've posted in the b3 thread - when there's an error, style does not apply. So you know then that something is wrong. The old error checking didn't give a clear error anyway. It would show some gibberish that often didn't make any sense (to me) at all. So, as far as i'm concerned, the error checking is still there but it doesn't throw something nonsensical like 'was looking for ";" but found ":"'... where, damn it?! i have to re-check the whole style anyway!

And for those going back to .5.9 - go right ahead but 1.0 is not going anywhere and eventually you will have to use it. So instead of whining, get to know it and if you don't like something there, post polite and constructive suggestions so that np can take a look at it and decide if he wants to change it. Childish whining 'i don't like it!...i'm gonna back!... ' isn't really constructive (and makes me say 'tough! get over it!').

And b!
please, take the time to translate what you post in a primarily english thread so that we won't have to do it for you. Thanks!.

90d

I saw that but thanks for the link, anyway. It's not really what I'm looking for actually as I do want to be able to distinguish between enable and disabled styles.

Tss

Just a little thing:
If you install the new version and you don't have any styles installed, the manager points you to the old userstyles.org/stylish page.

b

Serwas,
it may be that with the new version (Stylish 1.o)
one's styles only in the sidebar if you can manage one has?

In my case, "All in one Sidebar"
The button in the status bar does not respond anymore, the button
Up in the Navbar to make the sidebar .... and my codes
for Stylishmanager fell - so scheiß ......
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=aufzeichnenrnrv.png

Operating system is Windows Vista Ultimate 64 bit

This was before the update from
http://userstyles.lesmurfy.de/viewtopic.php?p=540 # p540
so then
http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=aufzeichzzznenigpa.png

Where I get the old version again?

makondo

# 900degrees
i think disabled are greyed out by default, like i said in this thread. Sorry, i was editing when you posted and i took the link out then.

90d

Posted By: makondoAnd for those going back to .5.9 - go right ahead but 1.0 is not going anywhere and eventually you will have to use it. So instead of whining, get to know it and if you don't like something there, post polite and constructive suggestions so that np can take a look at it and decide if he wants to change it. Childish whining 'i don't like it!...i'm gonna back!... ' isn't really constructive (and makes me say 'tough! get over it!').

As far as I'm concerned mentioning what the error was was better than nothing. It made finding it easier. If Stylish's not supposed to be a CSS editor then you shouldn't be able to edit anything in it. Just install, update or import from a file, which I would love to be able to do as well as save stylesheets and assign them a keyboard shortcut. /whishlist

Sentences like 'removed due to low demand' tend to makes one believe that all is done and that, like it or not, you're going to have to get used to it, which is exactly what you suggest BTW so speaking of constructive criticism in the next sentence seems quite contradictory. Besides, missing tools you found useful is not something you have to 'get to know'. You just keep on missing them unless you look for a better add-on, code it yourself or use an outdated version. How can you formulate any criticism besides saying "these were useful, I miss them"? The same goes for me. I don't like the new icon(s). I think the previous ones were much clearer. I don't like the integration into the add-on manager. I think stand-alone was more practical. You can't positively criticize any of this because you can only suggest going back to the old version, which seems very unlikely and a bit nonsensical, or giving users options and Stylish has never had any preferences - or so I thought until Jason mentioned about:config - so it doesn't seem like it's something the author's willing to do either.

90d

Posted By: makondo# 900degrees
i think disabled are greyed out by default, like i saidin this thread. Sorry, i was editing when you posted and i took the link out then.

Yes, they are and I read this thread before commenting here but greyed out is not obvious enough for me. I actually used to use a style turning icons into text.

HKK

Since parts of b's post didnt get through the translator right, i take the liberty of posting an adequate translation:

Posted By: bSerwas,
could it be that in the new version (Stylish 1.0), you can only manage your styles in the sidebar?

In my case "All in one Sidebar"
The button in the status bar does not respond anymore, the button in the nav bar opens up the sidebar... and my styles for the Stylish manager window are useless... [curse]
(Screenshot of Stylish manager opening in AioS)

Operating system is Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit

This is how it looked before the update
(link to a forum with screenshots of the style)
and this is after the update
(stylish editor with obsolete style applied)

Where can I get the old version again?

Hi b,
dass sich der Manager bei dir standardmäßig in der Sidebar öffnet, liegt tatsächlich an der AioS, da sich der neue Manager in den Add-On Manager integriert. Du kannst das Verhalten des Stylish Managers verändern, in dem du die Einstellung extensions.stylish.manageView in der about:config anpasst: 0 = im Addons-Manager (Standard), 1 = als eigener Dialog (ähnlich der alten Stylish Version), 2 = in der Sidebar (eigene Sidebar, von AioS unabhängig). Wie das ganze dann mit der AioS zusammenspielt, kann ich aber nicht sagen. Denk dran, FF evtl. neu zu starten nachdem du die Einstellung in about:config verändert hast.
Dass der Button in der Statusleiste nicht mehr reagiert ist komisch, der sollte zwar ein etwas verändertes Verhalten zeigen, jedoch trotzdem ein popup-menü anzeigen.
Und ja, die Styles für die alten Stylishfenster sind jetzt (teils) unbrauchbar. Das ist leider so. Im Moment benutzen noch viele die alte Version, aber es kann nicht schaden, wenn du deinen Style auf den neuesten Stand bringst.
Die alten versionen von Stylish sind hier verfügbar.

~HKK

PS: and here a translation of my answering post for the benefit of all other users

Posted By: HKKHi b,
that the styles manager opens in the sidebar by default on your system is indeed caused by AioS, because the new manager integrates with the add-ons manager. You can change the behavior of the stylish manager by adapting the setting extensions.stylish.manageView in about:config, 0 = in add-ons manager (default), 1 = stand-along dialog (similar to old Stylish version), 2 = in sidebar (independent of AioS). How well this setting works together with AioS, I cannot say. Remember to restart FF after changing the setting in about:config.
That the button in the status bar is not responding anymore is indeed curious. Its behavior has changed slightly, but it should nonetheless show a popup menu.
And yes, the styles for the old Stylish windows are now (partly) unusable. That's how it is. At the moment many people still use the old version, but it won't do any harm if you update your style.
Old versions of stylish are available here
~HKK

JasonBarnabe

Posted By: 900degreesSentences like 'removed due to low demand' tend to makes one believe that all is done and that, like it or not, you're going to have to get used to it, which is exactly what you suggest BTW so speaking of constructive criticism in the next sentence seems quite contradictory. Besides, missing tools you found useful is not something you have to 'get to know'. You just keep on missing them unless you look for a better add-on, code it yourself or use an outdated version. How can you formulate any criticism besides saying "these were useful, I miss them"? The same goes for me. I don't like the new icon(s). I think the previous ones were much clearer. I don't like the integration into the add-on manager. I think stand-alone was more practical. You can't positively criticize any of this because you can only suggest going back to the old version, which seems very unlikely and a bit nonsensical, or giving users options and Stylish has never had any preferences - or so I thought until Jason mentioned about:config - so it doesn't seem like it's something the author's willing to do either.

Your criticisms are valid, but 2 out of the 3 I've thought of and are fixable with the right settings. I can fix my nostalgia style to work with enabled/disabled, I just forgot about that.

Stylish has had preferences previously, you just didn't know about them :)

90d

Posted By: Jason Barnabe (np)Your criticisms are valid, but 2 out of the 3 I've thought of and are fixable with the right settings. I can fix my nostalgia style to work with enabled/disabled, I just forgot about that.

So you've shown me but I didn't expect that, just that I didn't expect Stylish to change so much. To give you an idea, I went from "OMG! This is the best extension ever!" to "OMG! What have they done?!". I very much appreciate your willingness to listen and provide alternative solutions.

Posted By: Jason Barnabe (np)Stylish has had preferences previously, you just didn't know about them :)

XD May I ask why these are not accessible via the add-on manager? Call me stupid or just not curious but it wouldn't have crossed my mind to check config. It's kind of ingrained behavior to go to the add-on manager for these. Oh and is there a FAQ or thread explaining what there are for?

makondo

900degrees,
i think you were using the disable/enable text style, hold on!.. yes, something like this one. I guess you've read np's response in the other thread:

Posted By: Jason Barnabe (np)Bug 282328 - attributes are case (in)senstive in xul.css and userChrome.css

I guess I'll have to change the name of the attribute for you guys to be able to style it.

makondo

Posted By: 900degrees...Sentences like 'removed due to low demand' tend to makes one believe that all is done and that, like it or not, you're going to have to get used to it, which is exactly what you suggest BTW so speaking of constructive criticism in the next sentence seems quite contradictory. Besides, missing tools you found useful is not something you have to 'get to know'. You just keep on missing them unless you look for a better add-on, code it yourself or use an outdated version. How can you formulate any criticism besides saying "these were useful, I miss them"? The same goes for me. I don't like the new icon(s). I think the previous ones were much clearer. I don't like the integration into the add-on manager. I think stand-alone was more practical. You can't positively criticize any of this because you can only suggest going back to the old version, which seems very unlikely and a bit nonsensical, or giving users options and Stylish has never had any preferences - or so I thought until Jason mentioned about:config - so it doesn't seem like it's something the author's willing to do either.

I don't have the time to take apart and answer your every word/sentence as you did with my post, missing my point anyway ;-). All i said and repeat - i can bet 1.0 version will not go back to .5.9 and therefor you might as well get to know, understand it and use it (notice, not: 'get used to it'). As you can see in beta threads and others, np is helpful and listens to what we have to say (the proof is right above). What i've also said is "whining 'i don't like it! where's the old version?!... "...') isn't helpful nor productive.
"... You can't positively criticize any of this because you can only suggest going back to the old version ..." No, i can ask where's the missing feature is and if it's possible to get it back. I have never suggested to anyone anywhere to go back. It's just not me ;-) What i do suggest again and again is ask if it's possible to add/re-introduce a needed feature. So far only an editor has been rejected (with a good explanation more than once as to why) to which Drugoy's got an answer(-s) above. What i reject and responded to is attitudes like this (not the first time from that cry-baby):

Posted By: DrugoyI find 1.0 very inconvinient just for that reason. And now I migrate back to 0.5.9, until 1.0 will be fixed to be usable.

xren

Rignt now "Manage styles" window displays styles in rows. I believe this is what Firefox "offers". But is it possible to implement other views, like icons, or maybe two-column view ?

Another thought: in the same window every style has the same icons. What about making icons different depending on type of style?

JasonBarnabe

I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to have multiple columns or icons or whatever.

There's no attribute on the items for the type of style, but I can easily add it.

90d

Posted By: makondotherefor you might as well get to know, understand it and use it (notice, not: 'get used to it')

You'll have to explain to me how that is different from getting used to it, like it or not. And you calling this person a cry-baby only reinforces my impression that this is exactly what you meant, even if you phrased differently.

What i've also said is "whining 'i don't like it! where's the old version?!... "...') isn't helpful nor productive. No, i can ask where's the missing feature is and if it's possible to get it back.

You know what? I find that assimilating any comment saying 'I miss that feature. Why did you remove it? I don't like it.' to pointless whining, condescending and unfair and I'm glad some people don't think like you do or they would only listen to positive feedback, constructive or not. I also don't understand how you fail to see that saying this is exactly the same thing as asking for it back. It's just implicit. Anyway, it seems we'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm just glad Jason was able to listen to my 'whining'.

alta88

jason, thanks for the user agent fix.

some comments:
1) error checking really needs to be put back, and in fact made more obvious where the first error is - if you know (used to know) that there is one, then you know where it is..

2)diavolo seems unusable, unless i've done something really wrong. it won't even show scrollbars for content?? no context menu (cut/copy/paste)? his projects, quite unfortunately, do not have a great history of ever being finished.. stylish with no editor is better.

3)if both diavolo and itsalltext are enabled, then Open in External Editor opens the editor with no content. doing this in a fairly clean profile (3.5pre) so some basic stuff seems broken.

3)the new icons are a big improvement, always liked Mondrian..

makondo

Posted By: xren... is it possible to implement other views, like icons ... ? ...

xren,
i'm not getting the icon view, can you explain it to me a bit? TIA!

nlo

how to remove this icon?
thanks

JasonBarnabe

nlo, yeah I knew about that on Mac but couldn't find a fix (or a Mac to test it). Come to think of it, the problem with my fix might be bug 282328 too...

Not saying this to anyone in general, but I think it's funny how of the people who don't like this version on this forum and in the reviews on AMO, no one agrees on what they don't like. So people like the interface but hate the icon, some hate the interface but like the icon, some are complaining about stripped features, others are complaining about bloat... Let's see if I can satisfy everyone.